Project Jedi

what? why?

let me answer both.

Looking back, i can remember being on the ab forums when the Salvo was coming out. I remember the " ooh i hope it has this,.." or "Man i hope they fix that"

the same with the carver,.. only with less hype.

So i said to myself, "self, how can you get a good idea what should be made next?"

so i figured id ask.


I want to get together schematics, pics, how tos, and ideas as to exactly what you want from the next us army marker. when its complete, ill present it to tippmann in its entirety.

so,.. why project jedi?

when a jedi became a full fledged warrior, one of his final rites of passage was to create his own lightsaber,.. powersource, focusing crystal, color crystal, casing, etc. this is our weapon of choice...

so what would you have to have out of your new marker?

Keep in mind that these are entry level markers...so the cost may go up with added features and such......but id like to see the internal of the x7p implemented into the next us army marker

i think whats keeping things cost effective for the MOST part is the 98 internals... i have limited playing time with the x7, but the a5 is pretty similar. (as rae as performance)

so is it really a big selling point/ advantage?

i think our charging handle mod should be a standard feature

Keeping the 98 internals isn't really an improvement...i guess body mods like a charging t handles would be improvement...phenom internals are a totally different beast...no charging /cocking handle..maintenance is a no brainer..no body screws to remove..all the guts are pulled out the back in on simple assembly...another thing id like to see in the next us army marker is a removable air thru grip like the phenom....i guess my views are different than yours for i would make this the flagship model for the us army marker

itd be higher end in that case.

Well if we were to go by jedi ranking

Carver one = padawan learner

AB/PS = Jedi Knight

Alpha Salvo Elite (that's what i would call it) = Jedi Master :)

My ideas are

1)ability to break down easier, like the FT12 flip top, but maybe a couple of screws or pins.

2) Charging handle

3) Internal air line, again like the FT12

more to come later

I think it's shroud should also have at least a couple of rails on.
Preferably a quad rail, but it depends on whether we'd prefer a CQB style or a beasty AR. .
I'm liking the FT idea too.

And are we thinking Hopper-fed / mag-fed or both like DYE's new beast?

i think magfed would be great, but idk if thats in tippmanns wheelhouse yet,..

magfed fliptop

yea...

*drools*

I agree mag fed would be great, but the probl;em I see with it is that it would no longer be an "entry Level" marker and the price would probably be quite steep.

One thing that I would love to see on a new marker is a mechinal selector switch for semi-3rnd burst or semi-full auto. no need to worry about batteries and such then. I know MilSIg is supposed to be putting one on the new M17 when it comes out, hint hint Tippmann.

Brock when you do send our ideas to them I do like the name of "Alpha Salvo Elite"

What better people to help with the design than us, hard core US Army marker owners/modders as well!

Well, I'm new around here so I think this is a good post to start on. Personally, I would like it to be both mag-fed and hopper fed. Or maybe two different versions. Also, more customization options that are exclusive to the Army markers. Just my opinions though.

i like the idea of doing a multi tiered package,..

So lets break it up like this:

Alpha Salvo ELITE- ( in order of importance)

Magfed (and hopper fed)with upgraded internals (A5 or X7)

removable/upgradable trigger frame.

front shroud with rails

Internal air line ( preferably airthru, but out the bottom of the pistol grip,..)

Flip Top dis-assembly

stock

Charging Handle Mod

Alpha Salvo Tactical:

front shroud with rails

Hopper fed(cyclone feed)

flip top disassembly

charging handle mod

removable/upgradable trigger frame.

Internal airline

98 internals

stock

A5/X7c/98 internals are virtually alike

X7 phenom doesnt utilize a hammer or power tube..i would opt for the PHENOM internals...

Definatly a Cyclone feed on there. I'm not as much of a performance snob (no offense guys) as some other people, but I think x7 internals would be good. Salvo furniture...maybe in dark earth or od to give it a mean look. And a new stock...defiantly a new stock. Other than that, see what my sig says.

as far as magfed goes..it would be hard to compete with the MKV tacamo kit which has a cyclone option for about 20 bux.....

StormShadowz wrote:

as far as magfed goes..it would be hard to compete with the MKV tacamo kit which has a cyclone option for about 20 bux.....

I do agree here but I think what we are looking at would be getting some of the options that we like with out having to use a kit. Besides if you are using a mag, why would you need a cyclone? Unless of course it had something like the splitfire system to be able to use both.



Overall thou great ideas, would be nice to hear what Tippmann has to say about our input.

StormShadowz wrote:

Keep in mind that these are entry level markers...so the cost may go up with added features and such......but id like to see the internal of the x7p implemented into the next us army marker

This is exactly what I was going to say... and my only real enhancement idea.

Easier on the more fragile paint and better air efficiency.

Perhaps a lighter body or a modular trigger system so you can put any Tippmann etrigger grip onto it rather than having a solid one piece body.

Not so much a refinement but an added extra... 2 thread adapters included in the box so you can choose A5/X7/98 threaded barrels from the get go.

As far as my list of upgrades for a new model A/B
1. EASY ON OFF BUTTON
2. FIRE MODE SELECTOR THUMB SWITCH
3. TOOLESS DISASSEMBLY
4. LOW PRESSURE OPERATION
5. TACTICOOLNESS

SirMikeofSmeg wrote:

Not so much a refinement but an added extra... 2 thread adapters included in the box so you can choose A5/X7/98 threaded barrels from the get go.

and this too...

why make it mag fed if theres a kit available for each platform

because theyre RAP4 kits.

im not citing a distaste for rap4, but more a lack of tippmann magfed.

i do, however like the modular trigger frame

I'm gonna break my suggestion into two separate suggestions. So I'll go with an idea that I was looking at earlier. I'm going to focus more on the LOOK of the actual marker rather than just it's performance internals because you guys have really picked a lot of the stuff I would have as my suggestions.

First, I think there needs to be a variant that is CQB specific, as we see more and more scenario players having different roles on a team of sorts, I think we need to see a slant to a CQB style marker patterned after what many consider the best SMG on the market today, which does also have a civilian version. It could incorporate a lot of the suggestions such as flip top, toolless disassembly, air through line and others. This could be the variant that is either with a magfed version or a cyclone or regular feed.

The Kriss Super V (shown below) would be the basis of this variant.



The second would be a more long range variant the likes of the SAR-12, however the design could be ground breaking, both because it would be a step into the Bullpup area of paintball marker design that I think some of us might actually want to see. I like the idea of a marker being able to fire First Strike rounds and seeing tippmann jump on board with that and actually embrace the idea that you can reach out and touch an enemy at greater distances as well would be awesome.

The basis for this variant would be the Desert Tactical Arms Stealth Recon Scout.



Sorry guys, I don't really have a lot in the tech department and besides what you guys are saying would be a lot of the stuff I would include and it's late so getting me to think seriously about this stuff other than the look...yeah...not happening.

keep in mind the us army theme here as well,..

I think TPX internals are the key here. Not the pricier phenom power core.

US Army line will always use the cheapest internals. I know I been in the fold since the Project Salvo. I don't see them making a marker that's going to compete with their main line Markers.

I like the flip top option. The quicker and easier it is to open up and clean and maintain the better. I know many of y'all like the flat top (I prefer the carrying handle) but if the flat top was the main idea I would take a page out of the new dye damn and set the stock lower giving people a easier time trying to someone use the sights. Or at least raise the flat top half an inch-inch. I do like the charging handle on there because it would make it more realistic and would work better for the service men and women who actually train with it. Overall I would go for the body of the salvo with an alpha stock since most people go for it anyway. And I would also put the front sight of the alpha on it but not connected to the shroud. I do like the cyclone. As long as I can use a low profile hopper I'm ok with it. The title explains it perfectly. Give us stock parts we already want with options to customize it into the tool of the trade.